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Old 11-27-2016, 01:16 PM   #11
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Well it's a bit of a hassle for us , also, but it IS what we already have in our 22 ft hi-lo. Is it different in your 17? In many tts, except for fifth wheels, an annoyance I have are the fixed beds. I prefer layouts with the variety of space afforded by convertible couch/ beds. Of course that escape is no different and our hi- lo is a pain to convert as we put a thick mattress cover on it and, of course , one of us needs to climb over the other. In recent years I have only seen one small trailer that had a true queen size hide-a-bed arrangement . I assume weight is one o f the issues. .

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Old 11-27-2016, 02:48 PM   #12
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If interested in a small fiberglass trailer, you should consider the Casita's. They do make a model that has twin beds to avoid climbing over one another. We almost purchased one but opted for the Hi-Lo instead:

http://casitatraveltrailers.com/independence-17/

I believe Bill said he is traveling solo so that may not be important to him. I think his 4-Runner could easily tow a Casita, though.

Class B's are nice if you are looking for small but they are the priciest RV's on a square-foot basis.
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Hi Rick -

In our 17T, the dinette/couch area converts into a king-sized sleeping platform. It is just long enough that we can sleep side by side along the long axis of the trailer, or, if we chose, we could sleep "across". We use lightweight down sleeping bags, so there's no real bed "making" (which would be a total pain).

That's a nice little trailer too, Greg. The only thing I see it lacks is a dinette, but that's a small price to pay. We eat outside as much as possible and if we had to eat inside, sitting on a couch/bed would not be too bad.

OOPS! I see, in looking at the interior pictures there are two small tables that can be placed between the two beds, so that becomes the dining area when needed. Clever!

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Yes, it's amazing how much they can cram into some of these smaller trailers, Jack. One model even has a bunk bed option!

But I would probably miss the roominess of the 24 ft. Hi-Lo!
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I only have eyes for Hi Lo trailers. Others are nice but Hi Los seem personable.
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Old 11-28-2016, 05:26 PM   #16
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Now I'm considering a newer 23' HiLo Classic and wanted to know if my current 2013 4Runner could tow it and who made the 2010 HiLo?
Hi Bill,

I did a bit of checking for you, your 4Runner has a tow rating of 5000 pounds. A Hi-Lo 2310H has an unloaded weight of almost 4000 pounds plus the weight of options, and a gross weight of 7000pounds. If you go to a 2009 2209T you can cut about 600 pounds off from the 2310H weight and has a gross weight of 5500 pounds. Both trailers are essentially the same size and layout wise.

Here is the Trailer Life Magazine Towing Guide:Trailer Towing Guides | Trailer Life Magazine

This is the 2010 Hi-Lo brochure:Brochure for 2010 Hi-Lo

and the 2009 Hi-Lo brochure:Brochure for 2009 Hi-Lo
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Since we just finished shopping, I noticed there were more on the market on the websites and prices were better with winter nearly upon us, so anyone that can shop now, may find a bargain. There was a nice variety of sizes available too! On ours, the asking price online was $11,900 and without a trade, we were quoted $9150 for a like-new 2310 and we signed the contract!

I toured a Scamp 5th wheel, similar to the Casita/Escape, 2 nights ago and it redefined "small" (cramped), did not look like the brochure or video! Hi Lo seems to use all available space wisely. The craftsmanship far outdid the competition, IF you can consider some of the other units competition at all. This will be RV #9 for us.

I was in a 17' years ago and was amazed that everything one needed was there in a small package.
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