Weights - Hi-Lo camper travel trailer forum

Luckydog671 · 09-13-2014, 08:05 PM

The brochure for my model (2407T) shows the unloaded vehicle weight (UVW) as 4009 lbs. however the weight sticker lists the UVW as 4538 lbs. Is this because of the added options? Does UVW include water or propane weight?

Thanks,

Dee Tillotson · 09-13-2014, 10:41 PM

Greg, by the time the manufacturer or dealer adds an awning, Microwave, AC, 2 "empty" propane tanks with a total capacity of 60 lbs. of propane when you fill them, entertainment center which includes television, radio, CD/DVD player, and drop down bed from the ceiling (if you choose that option in lieu of the two extra cabinets), and power hitch, you definitely have a higher unloaded vehicle weight (UVW). The difference between the maxed out gross vehicle weight (GVW) and the UVW is the number of lbs. you personally can load in the Hi-Lo without breaching the GVW trailer limit, known more commonly as cargo carrying capacity (CCC). Adding propane and water takes away from your CCC. My UVW stated in the brochure easily went from approximately 4,700 lbs. to 5,150 lbs. when the Hi-Lo left the factory and no propane in the tanks or water on board. My GVW maxed out at 6,300 lbs.; therefore, I only had 1,150 lbs. of CCC for personal loading when the Hi-Lo was delivered to my doorsteps.

Dee
Summerville, SC

Luckydog671 · 09-14-2014, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dee Tillotson

Greg, by the time the manufacturer or dealer adds an awning, Microwave, AC, 2 "empty" propane tanks with a total capacity of 60 lbs. of propane when you fill them, entertainment center which includes television, radio, CD/DVD player, and drop down bed from the ceiling (if you choose that option in lieu of the two extra cabinets), and power hitch, you definitely have a higher unloaded vehicle weight (UVW). The difference between the maxed out gross vehicle weight (GVW) and the UVW is the number of lbs. you personally can load in the Hi-Lo without breaching the GVW trailer limit, known more commonly as cargo carrying capacity (CCC). Adding propane and water takes away from your CCC. My UVW stated in the brochure easily went from approximately 4,700 lbs. to 5,150 lbs. when the Hi-Lo left the factory and no propane in the tanks or water on board. My GVW maxed out at 6,300 lbs.; therefore, I only had 1,150 lbs. of CCC for personal loading when the Hi-Lo was delivered to my doorsteps.
Dee
Summerville, SC

Hi Dee, and thank you for your response. The CCC listed on my weight sticker is similar to yours, at 1,123 lbs. I understand how that was derived at (GVWR of 6,000 minus UVW of 4,538 minus weight of water 299 lbs. and propane 40 lbs.) I just wasn't sure what the UVW included.

The weight of the options in my Towlite are as follows: Swing away bunk= 80 lbs., 14’ awning= 93 lbs., AC unit= 105 lbs., Spare tire= 54 lbs., LP gas oven= unknown, power hitch jack= unknown, stabilizer jacks= unknown

Dee Tillotson · 09-14-2014, 03:09 PM

Greg, I don't think the stabilizer jacks are an option you need to add to your "new" UVW, because I believe they are standard to the Hi-Lo unit. However, when I spoke with Tom at Hi-Lo in November of 2009, he indicated that the heaviest option added to our 2009 Hi-Lo 2509 Classic was the awning. I think he mentioned around 250 lbs. with the weight of the canopy, bracing hardware, etc. We don't have the swing down bed, just the standard two cabinets where the swing down bed might have gone. It is also hard to believe that Hi-Lo Company would not have included the spare tire as a standard item in your and my Hi-Los.

Dee

Luckydog671 · 09-14-2014, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dee Tillotson

Greg, I don't think the stabilizer jacks are an option you need to add to your "new" UVW, because I believe they are standard to the Hi-Lo unit. However, when I spoke with Tom at Hi-Lo in November of 2009, he indicated that the heaviest option added to our 2009 Hi-Lo 2509 Classic was the awning. I think he mentioned around 250 lbs. with the weight of the canopy, bracing hardware, etc. We don't have the swing down bed, just the standard two cabinets where the swing down bed might have gone. It is also hard to believe that Hi-Lo Company would not have included the spare tire as a standard item in your and my Hi-Los.

Dee

You would think the stabilizer jacks and spare tire "package" would be standard equipment but my brochure shows it as an option. As you noted, the awning may be heavier than I thought (not sure where I got that 93 lbs from).

RichR · 09-16-2014, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckydog671

You would think the stabilizer jacks and spare tire "package" would be standard equipment but my brochure shows it as an option. As you noted, the awning may be heavier than I thought (not sure where I got that 93 lbs from).

The stabilizer jacks were optional on most Towlites and standard on Classics, the spare tire was usually an automatically included factory option and was tacked onto the sticker price. The awning is probably closer to the 93 pounds, I have helped remove and install awnings and its pretty much a two person job, I am not a muscle bound he man by any stretch. The A/C is probably the heaviest option. I don't know what the built in generators weighed, maybe more than the A/C.

Dee Tillotson · 09-17-2014, 09:55 AM

RichR, I think you are correct, because I just checked the Camping World catalogue and (based on the size of a camper patio awning) the shipping weight can be from 65 lbs. to 130 lbs. with hardware. It has been five years since that conversation with the Hi-Lo factory people, and my memory must be fading.

Dee

RichR · 09-17-2014, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dee Tillotson

RichR, I think you are correct, because I just checked the Camping World catalogue and (based on the size of a camper patio awning) the shipping weight can be from 65 lbs. to 130 lbs. with hardware. It has been five years since that conversation with the Hi-Lo factory people, and my memory must be fading.

Dee

I know that feeling!