lug nuts won't come un done?
 

ok, so we went ad picked up our new used 1980 hi lo camper today, btw is there a way to know the model just from.the Vin number cause I have the tag receipt but it doesn't have a model number on it..
anyways I jacked up the right side and removed both wheels fine, I then sat jack stands under it where the manual shows. moved to left side and I can not get any of the lugs on either wheel to break free, we had already sprayed them all and I was using my 4 way wrench, well I tried a socket and rachet with a half of my floor jack and thought I was going to break the rachet.
the neighbor was kind and came over with his aircompressor a small 100 psi one and his impact and tried and no luck.

Ended up leaving those 2 wheels on for now. going try find some other tools to take back and tr again, my buddy says he has a electric impact that will remove them but not sure and last thing I want to do is break them..
the camper is at my other half parents as they were only 15 minutes from.where I picked it up. all the tires look horrible and didn't trust them for the 50+ mile trip home.
I've got tires ordered from online suppose to be here Friday the ones on it were Bs these are d grade. should be better.

Sometimes heating the lug with a small propane torch will help.

Heat the nut till it's pretty hot, then using a nice long breaker bar (not the 4-way), give it a good hit. Or use your friends impact wrench. Sudden high torque is more effective than just sitting/pulling on the bar.

Warning - be prepared to replace all the wheel studs. Just go buy some now. If the lugs are this frozen there's a good possibility of the studs breaking. Even if you get them loose, clearly they've rusted quite a bit and heating them doesn't help their strength. Just easy to replace them rather than worry about them breaking or seizing down the line.

Here's some advice that some may disagree with - I use never-seize on lugnuts, especially on trailers since they tend to sit a lot and don't get the maintenance love that our daily drivers do. I also use never-seize between the rim and the hub/drum. They tend to rust and stick there too.

I just watched a video on YouTube of someone using a torch, they said not to get the center (stud) hot just the nut. but on the trailers the nut and stud is all in one... I did bring home one of the lugs so I be sure find right socket take bk with me. think I'm find my torque wrench and a pipe big enough to go over it. one thing on these hi lo trailers you sure don't have much room to get leveage. with it being so far under the trailer. I did see one guy used a jack stand to support his extention on his wrench so he could get all way out past the body on his moterhome.

Before you torch it, Check to see if one side is Right-hand Lug nuts, and the other side is Left-hand. Some axles are like that. The Right ones ususally have an 'R' on them and the Left ones an 'L'.

Oh my.... If they do imma feel really stupid...
I know the right one I have with me has a R on it. they un bolted normal ( right tight lefty loosy)

Good God! I've never heard of that. What a stupid design!

If that's the case, or even if it's not, try working the socket wrench BOTH ways. This will sometimes break a stuck nut free.

Edit: I just saw your last post - we were typing at the same time. DO NOT feel stupid, I never would have guessed LH thread either.

- Jack

Well, I've changed tires only one 2 utility trailers and do not remember them being backwards.

Since talking about the wheels here, does this trailer have to have both wheels per side even if it's just resting ? the reason I asked is I was thinking of leaving the spare on the left side when/if I get the other two that on there off rather then leaving that side on jack stands would that hurt anything?

In the 50's/60's many Mopars had left and right lugs. Therory was the rotation of the rims helped keep the lugs tight.
Epower, one tire should hold it, depending on the condition of the tire. I'd put a stand under it for safety--even cinder blocks. If you have a flat, your only on one tire. But I wouldn't tow it with only one!
Tree

No, I wouldnt try tow with one, those axles are tiny...
well had her mom text a picture of the left wheel and it does have a L on it. I still feel silly ,stupid not thinking about that but it's just not common but to be fair it was me,my woman,her daddy and younger brother, then a neighbor who were all trying get it off.

Again, DON'T feel stupid! I would have probably broken the studs off.

Thank you Bruce, for suggesting what was wrong! *beers*

- Jack

I would have used a six foot breaker bar! A left handed thread never would have crossed my mind.!

Rick

:) :) Me too! And I would have stood on it!

- Jack

That's the way my 2176B is set up! If I remember correctly, have a car hauler set up that way too, and "think" I had one car that way too (a 1960 Super 88 Oldsmobile??).

Well we almost broke something i just hope they will come off the proper way now that we tried so much the wrong way.
tires are suppose to be here friday not sure i will wait till then to go back down and take off the other two or not.

Wonder if that was the norm at the time or just a rogue axle?

If they're damaged, you SHOULD be able to replace them. Maybe with RH thread studs too. If that's possible, I think I'd do it regardless of the condition of the older ones.

- Jack

You can get replacement studs at good auto parts stores. We got a set at NAPA. Be sure to take an undamaged one in so they can measure it for proper size. The shop used a brass bar to drive in the new ones so not to damage the new studs.

Studs vs. Lug Bolts
 

Guys, you have to understand that on ones like my 2176B and the instant 1980, is that they are Lug Bolts into the Axle/Hub, Not the normal Studs with Lug Nuts!:o

I SEE!, said the blind man! So, you'd have to replace the whole Hub? (Or, find correctly sized bolts with the proper hardness and LH threads).

- Jack

Yep, a major overhaul!

Hwre is the picture they sent us. thanks everyone for the replies... Can you not find lug studs like these easily?

Hwre is the picture they sent us. thanks everyone for the replies... Can you not find lug studs like these easily?

They are like Mobile Home Lug Bolts. So I think you can find them through Dexter Axles or a Mobile Home Dealer or Mover. That is, IF you really damaged them. I have them on my Car hauler/construction trailer which has Mobile Home axles.

So, lets see, that means "righty loosey, lefty tighty"? Guess a lot of us learned a lesson!

'Spose that depends on your perspective! The Driver's side is the only one that is reversed from Normal!:D

Hope you get your problem solved
 

Wow!! you would be in a pickle on the side of the road with this problem. Dunn tire put our F250 lug nuts on so tight Dh had to fill the tire with air the best he could and limp across town. They had to use an impact wrench to get the flat tire off. Super Man strength!!

I just hate when shops do that....well my new tires are supposed to come fedex tomorrow, if early enough I will take the 2 and get the new ones mounted and blance then head bk to Alabama to put those on and hopefully if all goes well get the other two off and take them.up the road and get those 2 mounted blance and maybe I can bring her home. I am ready to have her home so I can be cleaning her up.

didn't I see somewhere the lugs suppose to be 80 ft pounds? I will have my torque wrench with me.

The sticker on my 15" white spoke wheels says 90 t0 120 fp, but different wheels probably require different torque values.

yeah, these are just 13s

Being a little late to the party but have another suggestion to go along with everyone else's. I would chock the wheels of the trailer whether or not it is connected to the tow vehicle and break the lug nuts loose while sitting on the ground using a ratchet and a cheater bar over the handle. Of course you don't take them off yet but just to loosen them. Never had a problem that way!

Bob

That is kinda what I did, I broke loose on ground with my 4 way then used my rachet. Thanks everyone who posted. and most of all the one who suggested it having left hand threwds. I will be headed to Alabama today to put my two wheels bk on and hopefully getting the other two off my tires came late yesterday afternoon so had to wait till today. I really hate doing anything on Fridays but oh well

I had '62 Fiat that had those same bolts with the "L" on them only 4 bolts

Well, I got the other two off. the one we did everything to get loose were.. well let's say we had those very very tight, I broke my 1/2 inch to 3/8 torque reducer. .. ended up getting help from her sisters husband who had a corded impact it took them right off. got the tires changed out and put bk on the trailer and we just got home with it. I'm finished driving for the night. I will drive to the place it will get parked at in the morning it's only about 15 more miles. it's almost dark here

again thanks to all who helped

Ya-hoo! glad to hear that.

Is the lesson here rightly tighty- lefty tighty sometimes?
Ooohhh my head is starting to hurt.:confused:

Only IF the Bolt Head has an 'L' on it!:)

Yeah, it's been a long week.. But I did get it to my parents this morning and been cleaning her up all day and finding new adventures, someone seemed to redo the toilet plumbing and left it not hooked up trying find fittings and hoses to get that working and figuring out about the crack in the tub it's bigger then first thought.