2007 23C Rebuild

Replacing roof.

I was going to send you a PM. This is a great winter project. What type of roof are you going to put on? I was going to hire one of the companies that does permanent RV roofs. I was quoted $7.000. MY 26ft.Classic is only worth $6.000. I just might have to rent a heated storage unit and do the roof myself with a helper. In the mean time it doesn't leak and is filled with Externa Bond tape.
 
Hi Sam, I am going with the recommendation from Rob (Signman) and using Peel N Stick.

I was considering a sheet of Filon but was concerned about the radius edge and not being able to bend the Filon over the edge without compromising the integrity of the material. (Plus, laying an 8.5’ x 20’ sheet, which would be extremely heavy, onto adhesive, sounded like it could become a nightmare really quickly.)

Here is what Signman said in a different post:

This is 36" wide and comes in a really nice textured white so it will look original once you do a 3 pass install.... one down each side overhanging the edge for you to put under your trim and then the final, center pass that will overlap both side pieces about 5 to 6 inches so you have a really nice seal. This is an asphalt based seal, so when it is out in the sun, it will set up for life!
 
Peel & Seal

This is what I am using on my roof.

I found a really good price @ HomeImprovementSupply.com out of Toledo.
 

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This is what I am using on my roof.

I found a really good price @ HomeImprovementSupply.com out of Toledo.

Yep, I put that on the 2000. I keep an eye on any seems just to make sure things are staying put. I won't say the roof has been abused by UV over the past few years, but it's doing just fine.
 
Yep, I put that on the 2000. I keep an eye on any seems just to make sure things are staying put. I won't say the roof has been abused by UV over the past few years, but it's doing just fine.

Thanks for that review and endorsement r67northern! Your experience along with Signman’s experience and endorsement have helped solidify my decision for the longevity of what I am about to install.

And besides all of that, the lady on the box looks happy with her decision as well! :D
 
This is what I am using on my roof.

I found a really good price @ HomeImprovementSupply.com out of Toledo.

RahnA
How many rolls are you going to use? 3 rolls for 3 continuous runs or 2 rolls and use the leftover for the 3rd run and have a overlap seam? I'm considering doing this as well.
 
RahnA
How many rolls are you going to use? 3 rolls for 3 continuous runs or 2 rolls and use the leftover for the 3rd run and have a overlap seam? I'm considering doing this as well.

Hi SShankstr, I debated with myself for quite awhile on that very question.

At this point I have two rolls, and will overlap the top center run.
Since I am installing flexible solar panels both in front and behind the center hole where the A/C would mount, my seam will be under one of the panel and that should give it secondary coverage. As good as this material sticks down, I am fairly confident that it will be sealed against any moisture penetration.

Rahn
 
I decided I had procrastinated as long as I could. Having never installed Peel & Stick roofing I was a little intimidated and kept finding other things to do. But the time had come. (Maybe it was the mild temps the last week or so, but it seemed like spring, then summer, would be upon me before I realized it.)
So, a few days ago I started prepping the roof. Mainly I had to brush it good, seems some dust settled up there while I was preoccupied.

I cut a 6” strip off of one of the 36” x 33’ rolls and marked on the roof where the 3 strips will be laid. I scratched my head, and checked the marks I had made again. Three passes wasn’t going to work for me. Since I had to come down over the side of the roof to cover the radius, and another inch or two to be sandwiched under the drip edge, I was only going to have about 1” of overlap on top. The box instructions stated a minimum of 3” overlap.

So, I thought about what options I had and decided to go with a 9” strip on each side to cover the radius and onto the roof. The next two strips of 36” and then the final strip down the middle centered. Granted the center strip overlapped the other two by 4-5” on each side, but I feel a lot better about that compared to a 1” overlap.

What was surprising to me and the DW was that the 9” pieces took about 30 minutes to install. The 3 wide roof pieces took a total of 60 minutes. (Much easier than I anticipated.)

The key for us was for me to roll it out, pull the backing paper off as I unrolled, and for the DW to pressure roll after I had it lined up with my marks, As long as I kept it lined up and straight, and then unroll only about 4’ at a time. I kept it relatively straight, and the DW rolled it flat. Before she rolled it, I could lift up on the roll and reposition it slightly if needed. But once rolled, it was stuck.

Once a full sheet was completely laid out, then I took the roller and put some serious weight on it.

I did end up with a cross seam 1/3rd the from the rear, since I only bought 2 rolls and made do with that. We overlapped the cross seam about 10” and plan on having a solar panel also coving that area. I think it will be quite water proof.
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That's a nice bit of work and it looks great! I think you've put it on so it will be a lifetime repair. Well done, and, great writeup!

- Jack
 
Nice job. Very neat as in Tidy. DH replaced the metal strip where the roof meets the edge. We used the old strip and had much fun cleaning most of the goof off. Twice he had replaced the plastic strip(knuckle breaker). It was a twisty affair at 25ft. In hind sight we should have just replaced the metal. Even though he left extra plastic it still shrunk too much. On the HiLo we have now he was able to get a rubber black strip from Steele Rubber products. It fits much better and looks sharp. I still have the roll of plastic strip if anyone wants it for the price of postage. I can't take a picture as it is trucked away with a proper RV cover for the winter. We have the same floor roller. A very helpful tool for putting wall layers together. Taking it by force. Best of luck getting the HiLo together so you can go camping this season. The screws under the trim were all rusty. They were replaced with stainless steel screws. Cheap manufacturing.
 
Well, at times my enthusiasm for getting something done over rides a thought out solution that would have been a better alternative.
Since I am now doing smaller random projects, mostly small projects that I have been avoiding. I have come to the point that the tedious time consuming projects, both in thought and time, need to be taken care of.

I am to the point where the front and back caps are almost ready to be installed. But first, I needed to clean up the bottom rails of the steel end frames. These rails were covered with surface rust, both from water leakage at some point, and chemical reaction.
At least with this 2007 year model, HiLo used aluminum rails for the side walls and steel rails for the end walls. On the end walls they also used their 1”x 2” aluminum box tubing for stiffeners. One at the lower frame level and a second one 2” up and held together with 1/4” plywood on each side of the aluminum box tubing and then fastened to the steel frame. (The 1/4” plywood between the aluminum tube and steel kept the two pieces separated.) That in turn creates the box for the rubber ‘P’ bulb seal on the upper half.
Well, in order to box in the rectangular tubing along with the 1/4” plywood, HiLo used aluminum ‘L’ flashing to tie the frame to the tubing under the walls and up inside which has the ‘P’ bulb stapled to it. This process worked so-so on the side walls but on the end wall fastening aluminum flashing, coupled with a little moisture, to a steel frame created a real corrosion type mess. Some of the aluminum had disappeared into powder. All of this was under the end caps and hidden from view.

Needless to say, I have been avoiding this repair. But the time had come. Forgetting just exactly how the sidewalls came apart, or at least not really thinking, I looked up from underneath the rear edge and it looked like the flashing went up to the ‘P’ bulb and stopped. Oh, this isn’t so bad, I will just pull the flashing off so I can get good access to the steel frame to clean it up and cap it off a different way.

So, I went into demo mode and thought, “This is crazy! This is crazy!” In a few minutes I had the flashing ripped out, along with it came the ‘P’ bulb and the 1/4” plywood that was stapled about 153 times to the two aluminum box tubes. I just stood there looking at the mangled partially corroded flashing which had the ‘P’ bulb stapled with at least 200 staples though the half rotten 1/4” plywood.

Hmm, now what? All I wanted to do was to clean up the steel frame and prepare to install the rear cap. I had lots of time to think about my plan of action while I was reaching up between the bottom and top walls pulling steel staples out of the aluminum tubes. Some staples looked almost new, some were starting to corrode and others were almost nonexistent.

The challenge I now faced was how to recap the framework, attach the ‘P’bulb and fasten a 1/4” piece of plywood to the two tubes. I decided on regular building corner and gable trim steel (the 5-1/4” x 5-1/4” size) cut down to the same measurements of the piece I brutally removed. I figured the steel flashing will be stiff enough to forgive me for not replacing the 153 staples that I removed. (Another victory for me, because I saved this trim for years! And I finally got to use it!)
But, I still needed to figure out how to protect everything from everything that was dissimilar. The flashing at the bottom needs to be really thin to allow the cap to fit, so anything bulky is out of the equation. I thought about duct tape on the flashing and on the aluminum tube to keep them separated. I also thought of a few other ideas, and one was that I wished I had repaired it like I did the side walls. But do I really want to go that route at this time?

What I did decide on was a strip of leftover Filon siding cut to length. I glued it to the flashing, it is waterproof (just in case of a leak someday) and it is thin (1/8”). After attaching the ‘P’bulb and the 1/4” panel to the flashing the next step will be to shove it up in there and fasten it.
Be sure to stay tuned!
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Since I have had a lot of time to think after my experience with the rear frame. (Plus refreshing my memory on how this was constructed.) I decided to take a milder approach to the front frame. I decided to just cut the bad flashing away from the steel and then cap it with the Peel & Stick roofing material that I have. (Just like I covered the side rails underneath.) I accomplished the front in just a couple hours compared to the ongoing rear repair.
But, also, the front is in better shape overall, so maybe the rear area did need a lot more attention.
Either way, it doesn’t really matter, since it all needed fixed at some point.
It wasn’t the easiest to cut the front, with pieces of rust falling out and almost standing on my head. So, don’t dwell on the not so straight line that I cut. The finished product looks a lot better! (At least I think so!) :thumbsup:
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Nice looking work, Red. I think this thought it too late, but maybe something like Tyvek tape could be used to separate dissimilar metals? I think you said you used roof flashing tape instead of duct tape which also sounds better to me.

- Jack
 
Nice job fixing the rot in your HiLo. Thanks for posting your HiLo pictures/fixes. I'm sure some one will refer back to your post when doing repairs. I can't help thinking HiLo could have manufactured better to avoid these repairs. Why should they? Just spend more bucks and buy another new HiLo.
 
I showed DH your pictures. He reminded me that when the frame broke beyond the door to the short section of the bumper. He had to repair the same rot. Maybe I didn't remember because i was sick and had to be hospitalized that evening. Our RV tech has our 1990 HiLo and reports no repairs have been needed.
 
Nice looking work, Red. I think this thought it too late, but maybe something like Tyvek tape could be used to separate dissimilar metals? I think you said you used roof flashing tape instead of duct tape which also sounds better to me.

- Jack
Thanks Jack! Excellent idea on using Tyvek tape!! I was thinking the duct tape could eventually breakdown and never thought about Tyvek. I think that would have been an excellent idea and last as long or longer than the camper will.
 
Nice job fixing the rot in your HiLo. Thanks for posting your HiLo pictures/fixes. I'm sure some one will refer back to your post when doing repairs. I can't help thinking HiLo could have manufactured better to avoid these repairs. Why should they? Just spend more bucks and buy another new HiLo.
Thanks Sam, knowing how the industry works, I am pretty sure some of the things that play into their decisions on building. Expediency, efficiency, cost, and like you mentioned, replacement incentive.
It would be interesting to know what the HiLo execs figured the life expectancy of their campers were. I would think they had some idea or number in mind.
 

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