Using refrig on gas while traveling?
 

Manual says use on DC while traveling but it runs down my batteries even while truck is supposed to be charging them. Anyone use gas while traveling?

As the thread on "Battery charging while towing" has discussed, the charge line from tow vehicles typically doesn't do a very good job, especially if you are running a refrigerator. The length and gauge of the wire just can't supply sufficient current and voltage to keep up to the demand.

Running the refrigerator on gas will definitely keep things cold and the battery will be kept charged. BUT, there are safety issues that come into play when you run on gas. Some places not to have the refer running on gas are: at the gas station at the pumps, going through tunnels, and on some bridges. Open flames and gas fumes are not too safe. In some areas it may be illegal to have the gas turned on and the gas tank valves open.

If you have everything in the refer cold to start with you can go quite a ways with the refer turned off and still keep things cold.

Also, remember not to have the refer on for more than one hour when the top is in the down position unless the vehicle is in motion.

I agree, running the fridge on gas with the top down is gonna be a real bad thing for a lot of reasons. One of which is that the roof is going to cover over the vent on the back of the fridge. I'm not sure what the result of that would be.

You may want to check and make sure that the trailer battery is actually getting charged during towing. My good friend Rich has just recently straightened me out about which pin is supposed to be hot to charge the battery. You can read this post for complete testing information. https://www.hilotrailerforum.com/f19/...g-245/#post680

I'm still fairly new to much of this, but surly if the trailer battery is good and both it and the connections to the tow vehicle are good and clean, it should keep it charged. We did a short two hour trip this past weekend, we ran the fridge on DC while towing and the trailer battery seemed to still be fully charged by the way it raised the roof on arrival and the fridge was at 35 degrees. Week after next we are taking a long trip, about 8 hours, I'll know for sure at the end of that one how things hold up. I'll keep everyone posted.

BTW - I did make sure that the master power switch (the rocker switch by the lift button) was in the center position. The manual says that only the refridgerator will get power in in this position. This way I know nothing else is drawing power from the battery but the fridge. I turn the external refridgerator fan off.

Neal

Having the refer (old Army Term) turned on while moving is not a problem because there is allot of air circulation to keep things cooled. If you are going to be stopped for more than an hour either raise the top or turn the refer off, whichever works better at the time. The manual addresses that. NOTE:The operating instructions on DVD specifically state that you are to not operate the refer on gas or are you to have the gas bottles turned on while in the transit.

When we had a regular trailer we did tow with the fridge on gas but made sure to turn off before going to a gas station. We do not do this at all anymore now that we have a Hi-Lo (towing with fridge/gas). I would not recommend doing so with a Hi-Lo due to top half covers the fridge vent in the down position.

We're fine using DC. We generally turn on the fridge (keeping the Hi-Lo raised and plugged in) and let it cool, pack our food, turn to DC, lower and hitch and go. If we have to stop along the way we raise the roof. Never had a problem with our food getting warm. But we generally do not have to travel too far (usually within 2-3 hours) to get to our destination.

What external refigerator fan?

TJM

Most RV's have a button, usually near the refrigerator, that operates an external fan that is located on the back of the refrigerator, this fan blows air over the coils of the refrigerator, thus increasing its efficiency. This is especially good in hot weather when the fridge needs the extra help.

I don't know which Hi-Lo models have them and which don't, it seems to me that most seem to have them. After market fan kits are also available, so an RV that doesn’t have one, could have one added.

Neal

We are new to all of this having just bought our 1509 a couple of months ago new. We were given a walk-through by the service people and they told us to put the refrigerator on DC when traveling and to turn the fan switch ON. And we, at least, were not given a DVD containing use information.

In our experience the refrigerator did not run well on DC. Our battery was fully charged when we arrived, but the food in the refrigerator was warm. When we returned I mentioned this to the service people at the dealership they told us to run the refrigerator on gas during the next trip we took. When I asked about safety and getting the pilot light blown out, they said to not worry about it. They said the trailer was designed for the refrigerator to run on gas while being towed. And, indeed, on the next trip we took I left the refrigerator on GAS, turned the fan switch ON and the food was cool when we arrived at every destination.

But after reading this thread I believe that this is not a good policy and I will have to change back to using DC. And, I believe, I will have to have another talk with the service people at the dealership (well, what used to be the dealership since HiLo is now closed). I am just not sure how we will keep our food cool during the trip since we are traveling in central Arizona and during the summer months the temperatures can run well above 100.

Thanks to all of you.

Mike, I suspect you bought your trailer from Dillon's in Apache Junction? It's where I bought mine, anyway.

At the time, I had a Nissan Frontier for the tow vehicle and they had to wire it for the 7-pin tow plug. On our first BIG trip with that, the fuse in the charging circuit blew and the battery, of course was quickly drained. I replaced the fuse, and it blew again.

When I called and told them about the problem, they told me I should have had a 30 Amp fuse in that circuit, but mine was only 20 Amps. On top of that, the battery was defective (not really holding a charge), so the current drain through that circuit was very high.

However, when things are working, the refrigerator stays cold on DC. I always start the refrigerator about 2 days before a trip on "shore power" and we fill it with food on the day we leave. I have 2 pre-frozen ice cube trays in the freezer too. They stay frozen.

According to the thermometer I have inside the fridge, it never stays as cold as a home unit but is normally about 45 degrees in the morning and maybe about 50 degrees after a warm day, regardless of being run on propane, DC or 110V. The freezer always freezes water though, and food does not seem to spoil.

If yours won't work properly on DC, something is wrong. It should. Check the fuse in your tow vehicle. And, I think it's possible to run the thing on DC even if you have the trailer plugged in to AC (which would keep the battery charged). You might try this and see if it works for a day (keep the top up) while it's sitting at home. But, make sure it's been pre-cooled first.

- Jack

Of course you are right. I bought our unit from Dillon's about 4 months ago as a new unit. And given what has happened to HiLo I am looking for some kind of extended warranty.

I had our tow hitch and wiring installed at Cliff's welding where I get most of that sort of thing done. I have not checked our fuse, but I will (as soon as I can figure out where it is!).

Our experience has been that our fridge stays much colder on AC than on GAS and much colder on GAS than on DC. In fact my wife complains that we sometimes freeze water when the fridge is left on AC in a campground and I have to switch to a lower thermostat setting. That does not normally happen on GAS and never happens on DC.

We keep our 1509 in the garage so I cannot raise it up without hooking it up to the car and parking it outside. We are getting ready to get out of the head and head up to the White Mountains, so I will try what you suggest and let you know.

We are towing with a 2009 Jeep Liberty Sport and have been very happy with both the way the vehicle tows and, especially, the gas mileage. The 1509 is small and light, but still I thought it might be a problem for a car as small as the Liberty with only a V6.

You can also test for voltage at the 7-pin plug on your Jeep. The +12V tap is at 1:00 O'clock and the Gnd is at 7:00 O'clock. If you have a voltmeter, probe those two taps with your ignition ON (the engine does not have to be running). If you see ~12V, you'll know your fuse is fine.

- Jack

Spoke with the techs at Cliff's Welding that installed the wiring harness and they told me a couple of things.

1) The wiring harness has only one circuit breaker (in my case it is not a fuse) and since I also have a brake controller installed, if that is working (and it is), then the circuit breaker is fine, and

2) I can physically check the connections if I wish with one of those inexpensive neon outlet checkers that I can buy at Home Depot. That is basically told me the same thing you said in your posting,

Since my brake controller is working, I assume the charge line to the HiLo batteries is working and so I don't know why the refrigerator works so badly on DC. And I continue to be puzzled why Dillon's told me to make sure the fan switch is ON if the exhaust vent is covered when the trailer is down. We expect to be making a trip next week so I will see what happens when I set the refrigerator to DC this time.

Since we live in a community that will not allow me to let it sit outside during the night I cannot really cool the refrigerator before the trip. I will let you know how it all works out.

Thanks again.

NOW it all makes sense! The refrigerator is not efficient at all on DC. It's probably only good to "maintain" temperature, and it even has trouble doing that if it's a really hot day.

My trailer "lives" outside (under cover), so the refrigerator usually starts cooling from a near 80 degree condition. I don't really see results till the next day, even on AC.

Even with the top down, the fan provides SOME heat transfer across the exchanger. That area is not air-tight. But, the heat transfer effect is reduced greatly unless the trailer is in motion.

You really need a way to pre-cool the box, and I can't think of anything if you can't raise the top inside your garage.

See how the temperature holds between campsites, using the DC while traveling.

- Jack

What I have done in the past is plug the unit into an electric outlet in the garage the day before we leave and put the fridge on AC. That usually gets it cool by the next morning. Once it is cool I will try to leave in on DC (instead of propane) and see what happens when we travel. Since we expect to be going to the White Mountains soon I will let you know how the DC works when all I am asking is that it maintain a reasonably cool temperature.

Thanks for all the help.

We had a 1995 TowLite, (still have) dealer installed the hitch and all wireing, had same problem with fridge on DC. I have electric knowledge and I found that the wire sizes used on the tow SUV for positive and negative DC were to small ( to light of a gage) to run the fridge and keep the trailer battery charged, also the wire in the trailer to the fridge was to light, I added extra wires and then the fridge worked the same on DC as it did on AC or gas. We just got a 2209 HI LO, I will be checking the DC wireing on it for the fridge and may have to update the wireing on the SUV also as the new trailer fridge draws 15 amps on DC compared to 10 amps on the old one. Rewiring is not something anyone can do but what I found may very well be the problem.

Personally, I think trying to run a frige on 12V is a waste of time and battery. If you can't plug in to shore power prior to a trip to cool the frige, cool it the old fashion way. How many of you remember pop-up trailers with an "ice box", yes I said an ice box, not a refrigerator. We used "dry ice" (frozen carbon dioxide) to keep them cool. Just look in the yellow pages for ice suppliers. A 1# piece would last several days. That gives you plenty of time to get to your next destination and plug in. It does not melt and drip like regular ice. A word of caution on dry ice - you must wear gloves when handling dry ice. Bare skin will stick to it. Usually the ice supplier will wrap the dry ice up in newspaper before giving it to you. This seems to be easier, cheaper, and less hassle than trying to rewire everything. Just a thought.....

My trips are usually only about 4 or 5 hours from home, and my fridge does fine on dc. (Starting out already cold from a day running on ac in the garage or campground). But, I took a trip of 9 hours on the road, and my trailer battery was almost dead when I got there. Not completely, but low enough that it only raised my trailer a couple inches before giving out. I was thinking that something was wrong, but after reading these posts, I'm thinking I'm not the only one whose truck just can't keep up with the draw the fridge puts on the trailer battery.

I have two batteries installed in our trailer and after a 9-10 hour drive, running the refrigerator on DC (with a stop for lunch with the top down), our batteries show 3/4 charge. I always hook our generator up right away to restore them.

Maybe your alternator has something to do with not keeping up. The alternator in my f150 is a 130 Amp alternator.

- Jack

I had a problem with my recently purchased 2207T with DC power after using it for only a month. For example, we would drive for a few hours and stop at a rest stop for lunch only to find the trailer barely had enough power to raise & lower the top. It would go up very slowly (sounding like it was straining) and we were relieved when it finally went all the way to the top. The refrigerator did not seem to be as cold as when we left the RV park on that day.

I bought two new batteries eventually on our trip (there was only one when I bought the Hi-Lo) and never had trouble raising or lowering the top. The refrigerator (which we never had a serious problem with anyway) continues to do a great job of keeping the food cold.

I wonder if some of the refrigerator problems that are discussed in this thread might be solved by using two batteries instead of one. I think it's dangerous to use propane while traveling since there is an assumption that one will always remember to shut the propane off at a gas station or while going through a tunnel.

You should not run the fridge on gas while driving. The tow vehicle should keep the batteries charged as well as supply DC power for the fridge, it sounds like the wiring in your tow vehicle is not adequate. Both plus and negative wires should be number 10 wire and fused at no less than 30 amps. I have 2 wires, the original fused at 20 amps put in by the dealer which was very inadequate and I added another wire fused at 30 amps for a total of 50 amps, I also have two ground wires going to the tow vehicle plug, one is #10 wire. I have no problems with low batteries or with the fridge running on DC.
Check your tow vehicle fuse it is probably blown, to prevent blowing the fuse disconnect the 7 pin plug before raising the top. Even fused at 50 amps if the trailer batteries are down slightly the lift motor tries to draw power from the tow vehicle battery and will blow the fuse.
2 batteries is not necessary but are very useful when boon docking.

Refrigerator Keeping food cool while traveling.
 

We are the second owners of a 90 Classic HiLo and have owned it for 10 Yrs. When we got it had the original ref. in it with out a fan. We added a fan that is wired to the 12v dc. Accessed on the outside ref. door. It is thermastically controlled. Our new replacement ref. won't allow for a fan.Our HiLo dealer says we can't get one in the replacement ref. I freeze and pre chill food then Run the HiLo ref for one day in the up position. I never have it in propane mode while traveling. The food stays cold on a 2 hr.trip. Clarification outside door refers. to the slotted ref. cover door. On a very hot day you can prop the slotted ref. cover open to allow for more air circulation. I have a coleman cooler that has a thick amt of insulation in the cover and it really does keep food cool for five days. You can freeze water in small or gallon milk jugs. When the ice begins to thaw I have ice cold filtered water to drink. Ice packs of hard plastic can be refrozen in the freezer.

Battery charge problem...
 

I had the same problem with the battery going dead while the refrigerator was on while driving. I was told by HiLo to run a larger gauge wire directly from my tow vehicle battery through a resettable fuse to the charging pin that goes to the HiLo battery. This worked!! I have not had a dead battery since; and my food stays cold. When I purchased my Dodge Ram, I made sure that I had the "tow" package, but Dodge doesn't use a heavier guage wire on the charging wire. What were those Engineers thinking?
Take your vehicle to a trailer shop or U-Haul and tell them what you need; they will fix your problem.

The automobile manufacturers need to have travel trailer experienced employees on their design teams. Proper wiring would not be a big deal to include with tow packages. The electrical requirements of travel trailers are pretty much generic.

I think that telescoping towing side view mirrors should be offered on all SUVs and trucks as a part of the tow package. We know how much discussion there has been here on the Forum about mirrors. To me it only makes common sense. You can only get those on full size pickup trucks. They make good money on that option.

Needs to be included with tow package
 

Why don't you put your suggestions in an e-mail to the manufacturer of your tow vehiclle?

I have made a couple suggestions to Toyota via an owners survey that I participate in. I'm sure they dropped everything they were working on to accommodate my wishes. :rolleyes:

I know four owners of Hi-Lo's beside myself that run their units on gas while traveling. Their frig is on opposite side of trailer from gas pumps. The frig does vent when the unit is in the down position. I asked when we purchased ours and was told to use gas when traveling and electric when parked. We were told by the dealer that DC just doesn't work to keep food cold enough when traveling a great distance. A friend just purchased a brand new trailer which is not a Hi-Lo and the frig in there only runs on gas or electric. When they questioned why there wasn't a 3 way frig they were told by the RV dealer that most manufactors are getting away from the 3 way frig thing and going with 2 way frig gas or electric in most units nowdays. So guess it's up to you what you want to do.

If your tow vehicle is properly wired the fridge will work just as well on DC as it does on gas or 110. If you make sure that you have 12 plus volts DC at the fridge when the tow vehicle is connected and running then the fridge will will work on DC any less than 12 volts and it won't work properly. It is easy to check just remove the outside cover, use a volt meter, the DC terminals are exposed.

The trailers that run on gas while traveling have a vent pipe that goes to the roof and vents the burned gases into the air.
When a Hi-Lo is in the down position the upper wall covers the fridge vent, gases will go up and inside the trailer. If all the propane is not burned up because of improper air flow there is danger of a fire or explosion. To me this risk is not worth it, especially when the DC problem can be fixed.

Solar panel and the frig.
 

I have a new to me 2000 290B, I haven't taken her out yet but will next week. So the question about sufficient power to run my Frig on DC is a big concern. I only have one battery but I am only traveling 4 hrs. away, but I do have the factory installed solar panel. Will the solar panel keep the battery charged enough to run the frig.?

No, That solar panel has a low out put and is only intended to maintain the battery, it only has an output around 1 amp in full sun light. The fridge draws over 10 amps went it is in the cooling mode. Don't you have the tow vehicle DC power wired to the Trailer?

Hi Lou,

No, the factory solar panel will not provide sufficient power to operate the reefer. That panel is a trickle charger and is really only ment to keep a fully charged battery charged up while the trailer is in storage. Given enough time, the panel will charge up a partially discharged battery (like if you raised and lowered the top while it was in storage).

Jim

Lou,

Pop asks a great question. If you're not comfortable troubleshooting the electrical system, take the whole rig to an automotive electrical specialist. That will give you peace of mind, and a reefer that will work while you're underway!

Jim

Big Lou,

If you have the refer and its contents cold before you leave home you could probably go most of the way with it turned off. Just don't forget to turn in on as soon as you get to your destination. We turn the refer on the day before we leave and transfer cold things from the house the night before or first thing in the morning. Just make sure everything is cold when you put it in, like soda and things that normally are stored without refrigeration. The refer does a good job of keeping cold things cold but not at cooling allot warm things. When the refer is full of cold stuff it stays cold a long time.

Assuming you have a 12 volt charge line from the tow vehicle you should be able to run the refer with no problem and still have lots of battery power. If you will be plugging into shore power when you get there your battery will charge back up.

Pop, I believe all my wiring is correct I just wanted to see if the solar panel combined with the truck would keep the battery charged with frig. working.

Battery & Refer
 

FWIW, I run on DC while driving (F350), and have 3 Sensi solar panels. The only problems I have had draining battery, even on long drives, was when the connector was not making contact at the truck. The original connector has too much insulation on the end (almost 1/8 in), and does not make good solid contact, can work loose even when latched properly. Replaced connector no problems since.

Other issue was a refer controller board. Sometimes while dry camping, refer set to run on propane, but controller board decided to ALSO activate DC, so was running on both DC and propane! Replaced the board with a Dinosaur board last fall. Seems to work now, but need the full summer to test for sure.
Dinosaur has better controls, even fine tune on temps. The temp fix I used for this issue on the original failing board was to pull the 30A fuse for the DC element while on propane, (in the refer lower compartment) then plug it back in when going on the road to use DC.

G

Never tried DC on mine. Previous owner said it would drain battery. I plug into AC a day or two before and load up when it is cold. I did use a block of ice one time on a longer trip. But usually it will stay cold and I just hook back into AC at my destination. I'm a little timid yet at "dry camping".

When you dry camp, you should run the refrigerator on propane. That won't affect the battery.

If you have a strong enough lead from the tow vehicle, it should charge the battery and not drain it. With our Tacoma, we had to upgrade the wiring to a larger size in order to charge the trailer batteries.

Run a 10 gauge wire for the charging system and that is all you need.

We just returned from a 4,000 mile trip in the western US and used the fridge on DC while driving (around 5-7 hours each day). Our food always stayed cold. One night we stayed in a hotel and I set the fridge to gas for the night. The top was down and it still worked fine. Probably won't do that again now that I know about the vent issue, but it did work. I have 10 gauge wire running to my charging circuit on the trailer with a 30 amp breaker. Also left the fridge on DC while away from the trailer during the day. Sometimes for several hours with no dead batteries. I think if you have adequate power to the trailer, DC should work well, even when it's hot outside.

I use dry ice for long trips, I tried it for a short trip, and hell, it froze my beer! I dont stock the bottom, that is where I put the dry ice, and I put my beer in the cooler now, lol.

Gas Refer Use
 

YES but set on # 1. When Parked FOR A WHILE & ESPECIALLY WHEN FILLING WITH LP GAS OR GASOLINE BE SURE TO TURN OFF THE TANKS & FRIDGE.

YOU MAY HAVE A FUSE BLOWN IN YOUR TRUCKS CHARGING CIRCUIT. FUSE PROB IN DIST BOX UNDER HOOD OR PU AT REAR IS WIRED WRONG.